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VAL>> ON LIFE AND TIMES TONIGHT --

JESS>> ONE OF THE MEN RUNNING FOR MAYOR OF LOS ANGELES WOULD NOT ONLY HAVE TO GET THE MOST VOTES, HE'D HAVE TO CHANGE THE COURSE OF HISTORY.

JIM HILL>> FOR VILLARAIGOSA TO WIN THE UPCOMING JUNE RUNOFF WITH HAHN, HE'LL HAVE TO BUCK HISTORY. NO LATINO HAS WON THE MAYOR'S OFFICE SINCE 1872.

VAL>> AND TONIGHT WE TALK WITH THE TWO MEN WHO SAY THEY'RE READY TO LEAD THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES INTO THE FUTURE. JIM HAHN WAS IN A FESTIVE MOOD AT HIS CAMPAIGN PARTY AS THE VOTE CAME IN AND ANTONIO VILLARAIGOSA CELEBRATED WITH HIS FAMILY AND SUPPORTERS ON HIS WAY TO A SURPRISING FINISH. BOTH CANDIDATES WILL JOIN US LIVE.

JESS>> AND MADDOX & HEWITT ARE HERE TO PERFORM EXPERT POST MORTEM ON L.A.'S CITY ELECTION.

HUGH>> ROCKY DELGADILLO USES A LOT OF MAGIC TO SURGE TO A SURPRISINGLY STRONG FINISH IN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S RACE.

KERMAN>> AND TOM HAYDEN AND MIKE WOO ARE IN THE POLITICAL FIGHT OF THEIR LIVES TO GET SEATS ON THE L.A. CITY COUNCIL.

HUGH>> COMING UP ON MADDOX & HEWITT.

VAL>> THESE STORIES NEXT ON LIFE AND TIMES TONIGHT.

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VAL>> GOOD EVENING, I'M VAL ZAVALA.

JESS>> AND I'M JESS MARLOW. OUR TOP STORY TONIGHT, AND THEN THERE WERE TWO. ANTONIO VILLARAIGOSA AND JIM HAHN FINISHED ON TOP IN A FIELD OF 15 CANDIDATES FOR L.A. MAYOR. WITH 99 PERCENT OF THE BALLOTS COUNTED, VILLARAIGOSA HAS 30 PERCENT OF THE VOTES AND JAMES HAHN HAS 25 PERCENT AND THEY NOW MOVE ON TO THE JUNE 5 RUNOFF.

VAL>> THE RACE WAS SO CLOSE THAT A RUNOFF WAS VIRTUALLY GUARANTEED FROM THE BEGINNING. NOT EVEN THE MOST SAVVY INSIDERS WERE WILLING TO PREDICT THE TOP TWO FINISHERS, BUT AS JIM HILL REPORTS, THE ELECTION DID HOLD SOME SURPRISES.

JIM>> AND THEN THERE WERE TWO. CITY ATTORNEY, JIM HAHN, THE SON OF LEGENDARY COUNTY SUPERVISOR, KENNETH HAHN, AND FORMER STATE ASSEMBLY SPEAKER, ANTONIO VILLARAIGOSA, BOTH EMERGING FROM A FIELD OF 15 IN THE RACE TO BE THE NEXT MAYOR OF LOS ANGELES.

ANTONIO VILLARAIGOSA>> ...A FUTURE WHERE ALL OF US ARE LIVING SIDE BY SIDE...

RON KAYE>> I THINK IT'S AN INTERESTING CONTEST BETWEEN JIM HAHN AND HIS LONG FAMILY'S HISTORY IN POLITICS AND A NEWCOMER LIKE VILLARAIGOSA WHO GREW UP TOUGH ON THE EAST SIDE AND HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS IN THE CITY, BEING GANGS.

PILAR MARRERO>> FOR HAHN, YOU KNOW, A BIG PART OF HIS CAMPAIGN WAS REMINDING PEOPLE WHO HE WAS THE SON OF AND HE WOULDN'T GO FOR TWO PHRASES WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT HIS DAD AND IT'S PAID OFF FOR HIM. WITH VILLARAIGOSA, HE ALWAYS TALKS ABOUT HE BEING THE POSTER CHILD FOR OPPORTUNITY. YOU KNOW, SAYING, OKAY, ANYBODY CAN MAKE IT IN L.A. IF THEY WORK HARD.

JIM>> FOR VILLARAIGOSA TO WIN THE UPCOMING JUNE RUNOFF WITH HAHN, HE'LL HAVE TO BUCK HISTORY. NO LATINO HAS WON THE MAYOR'S OFFICE SINCE 1872.

DAVID CONTRERAS>> I DON'T THINK PEOPLE WANT THE OLD BLOOD IN OFFICE ANYMORE. I THINK THEY WANT SOMETHING NEW AND, YOU KNOW, SINCE LOS ANGELES IS, YOU KNOW, PRIMARILY OF LATIN ORIGIN, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT SOMEONE LATINO IN OFFICE KIND OF TO BE MORE SYMPATHETIC TO THE COMMUNITY NEEDS AND, YOU KNOW, WANTS.

JIM>> LATINOS NOW COMPRISE ABOUT ONE OUT OF EVERY FIVE VOTERS IN LOS ANGELES. THE ELECTION WAS ALSO THE FIRST TIME IN MODERN LOS ANGELES HISTORY THAT TWO LATINOS, BOTH VETERAN POLITICIANS, WELL-KNOWN IN THEIR COMMUNITIES, WERE BOTH VYING FOR THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. THERE WERE FEARS THE HISPANIC VOTE WOULD BE SPLIT BETWEEN THE TWO, VILLARAIGOSA AND CONGRESSMAN, XAVIER BECERRA, AND BE WEAKENED. A SURVEY BY THE NEWSPAPER, LA OPINION, IN EARLY APRIL INDICATED AS MUCH.

PILAR MARRERO>> BUT IT SEEMS THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED ON ELECTION DAY. ON ELECTION DAY, PEOPLE SEEMED TO BE GOING TOWARD THE CANDIDATE WHO HAD A BETTER CHANCE TO MAKE IT TO A RUNOFF AND THAT WAS VILLARAIGOSA.

JIM>> BOTH HAHN AND VILLARAIGOSA WERE FAVORITES, ACCORDING TO SOME PRE-ELECTION SURVEYS, EVEN THOUGH OUTGOING MAYOR, RICHARD RIORDAN, ENDORSED BUSINESSMAN, STEVE SOBOROFF, AS HIS SUCCESSOR. HAHN AND VILLARAIGOSA WILL NOW HAVE TO COMPETE FOR THE CONSIDERABLE NUMBER OF VOTERS WHO VOTED AGAINST THEM IN THE PRIMARY.

RON KAYE>> THIS IS A CITY CRYING OUT FOR SOMEONE TO MAKE US FEEL LIKE WE BELONG TOGETHER AND THAT WE'RE GOING SOMEPLACE THAT'S GOOD FOR ALL OF US AND I THINK THAT THE BALANCE OF THE TWO ISSUES IS INSPIRATION AND PRAGMATISM.

JIM>> SINCE BOTH ARE DEMOCRATS WITH SIMILAR LIBERAL PHILOSOPHIES, IT COULD COME DOWN TO CHARACTER AND THAT COULD MEAN A TOUGH PERSONAL, SOME MIGHT SAY NASTY, CAMPAIGN. JIM HILL FOR LIFE AND TIMES TONIGHT.

VAL>> AND JOINING US NOW IS THE TOP VOTE-GETTER IN THE MAYORAL CAMPAIGN, FORMER ASSEMBLY SPEAKER, ANTONIO VILLARAIGOSA. WELCOME TO LIFE AND TIMES TONIGHT.

ANTONIO VILLARAIGOSA>> WELL, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

JESS>> YOU'RE NOT PARTICULARLY PLEASED OVER THE NOTION THAT THIS IS HISTORY IN THE MAKING, THAT YOU ARE THE LATINO CANDIDATE.

ANTONIO VILLARAIGOSA>> YES. I'VE SAID FROM THE BEGINNING WE CAN WRITE ONE OR TWO STORIES ABOUT IT, CELEBRATE THAT WE'VE BROKEN ANOTHER BARRIER AND MOVE ON. MY CANDIDACY IS ABOUT BRINGING PEOPLE TOGETHER. IT'S ABOUT CREATING A VISION FOR LOS ANGELES WHERE ALL OF US WHO COME FROM EVERY CORNER OF THE EARTH HERE FOR A BETTER LIFE CAN LIVE TOGETHER AND PROSPER TOGETHER AND THAT WE ALL CAN CELEBRATE WHAT WE HAVE IN COMMON AND THAT IS THAT WE COME HERE TO WORK AND BE A PART OF THIS GREAT CITY.

JESS>> THAT APPEAL MUST HAVE WORKED. YOU CARRIED MANY NON-LATINO DISTRICTS.

ANTONIO VILLARAIGOSA>> I CARRIED EVERY SINGLE COMMUNITY, SAVE ONE. I WAS ABLE TO LEAD IN THE VALLEY, ON THE WEST SIDE, IN EVERY DEMOGRAPHIC GROUP BUT ONE.

VAL>> WE SHOULD POINT OUT, THOUGH, THAT THIS UPCOMING ELECTION IS A VERY DIFFERENT RACE, THAT BOTH YOU AND HAHN ARE GOING TO BE SCRAMBLING FOR THE CONSTITUENCIES THAT WERE SPLIT BETWEEN THE OTHER CANDIDATES AND THE NUMBERS COULD FALL THE OTHER WAY. WHAT'S YOUR STRATEGY?

ANTONIO VILLARAIGOSA>> WELL, I WAS ON "WHICH WAY, L.A." TODAY AND ARNIE STEINBERG WAS ON THE SHOW, A REPUBLICAN POLITICAL STRATEGIST. A FEW MONTHS AGO, ON "THE BILL ROSENTHAL SHOW", HE CALLED ME THE MOST BIPARTISAN SPEAKER IN HIS LIFETIME. A LOT HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT THE FACT THAT I'M A LIBERAL DEMOCRAT. I'M A PROGRESSIVE, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT, BUT I USHERED IN A PERIOD OF CIVILITY IN BIPARTISANSHIP.

I GOT DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS TO SIT TOGETHER AND WORK TOGETHER. WE GOT A BUDGET ON TIME FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A DECADE. WE PASSED THE LARGEST EXPANSION OF HEALTH CARE SINCE MEDI-CAL, THE HEALTHY FAMILIES PROGRAM, THE BIGGEST INVESTMENT TO MODERNIZE AND REBUILD OUR SCHOOLS, THE BIGGEST PARKS BOND IN THE HISTORY OF THE NATION. I DID THAT, WORKING DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS TOGETHER TO MOVE CALIFORNIA. I CAN DO THAT IN THIS CITY AS WELL.

JESS>> CAN YOU DO THAT IN THAT ONE DISTRICT THAT YOU DIDN'T CARRY? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO APPEAL TO AFRICAN-AMERICANS OVER JAMES HAHN?

ANTONIO VILLARAIGOSA>> AMONG MY LAST CAMPAIGN STOPS WERE SOME OF THE CHURCHES OF SOUTH CENTRAL LOS ANGELES. I WENT TO AS MANY CHURCHES AS I COULD THAT SUNDAY AND I TALKED ABOUT MY EXPERIENCES AND MY COMMITMENT TO MAKING GOVERNMENT WORK FOR EVERYONE. I'VE SAID TO PEOPLE, WHO BEST TO WORK FOR OUR KIDS WHO NEED HELP THAN A KID WHO NEEDED HELP A GENERATION AGO? A KID WHO SOMEONE TOOK A CHANCE ON? I AM COMMITTED TO SERVING EVERY PART OF THIS CITY AND, I THINK IN THE COURSE OF THIS CAMPAIGN, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A CONSOLIDATION THERE AND I'M GOING TO BATTLE JIM HAHN FOR EVERY COMMUNITY IN THIS CITY.

VAL>> WE SAW JUST IN THE LAST WEEK OR TEN DAYS THAT THIS RACE CAN GET VERY NASTY. THERE WERE NEGATIVE ADS FLYING BACK AND FORTH ACROSS VARIOUS CAMPAIGNS. WILL YOU PLEDGE NOT TO GO NEGATIVE OR HAVE YOUR SUPPORTERS GO NEGATIVE IN THIS NEXT RACE?

ANTONIO VILLARAIGOSA>> I PLEDGE NOT TO GO NEGATIVE OR HAVE MY SUPPORTERS GO NEGATIVE IN THIS RACE, BUT I BEAT YOU TO THE PUNCH. I MADE THAT PLEDGE THIS MORNING AT A PRESS CONFERENCE IN THE HEART OF THE VALLEY WHERE I SAID, I RAN A CLEAN CAMPAIGN. I'M PROUD OF THE EFFORT THAT WE DID. LET'S BE CLEAR ABOUT SOMETHING. THIS WAS A DIRTY CAMPAIGN AND I WAS THE RECIPIENT OF MOST OF THE DIRT. THE "GLORIA MORINA" CALLS THAT SOMEBODY SPONSORED WERE DIRECTED AGAINST ME. THE OUT-OF-TOWN GAMING INTERESTS CALLS THAT WERE DIRECTED AGAINST ME AND MISREPRESENTED MY RECORD, I MAY ADD, WERE DIRECTED AGAINST ME. I WON DESPITE THE FACT THAT I DIDN'T ENGAGE IN THOSE DIRTY TACTICS. I WON --

VAL>> -- HOW ABOUT YOUR NEGATIVE AD TOWARD JIM HAHN?

ANTONIO VILLARAIGOSA>> THAT AD ONLY RESPONDED AND SAID, HOLD IT. THIS IS A MISREPRESENTATION OF MY RECORD. THE IDEA THAT I'M JUST GOING TO SIT THERE AND LET SOMEONE PUMMEL ME IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO ACCEPT.

JESS>> SO YOUR PLEDGE TO KEEP IT CLEAN WON'T NECESSARILY APPLY IF YOU HAVE TO RESPOND TO DIRTY --

ANTONIO VILLARAIGOSA>> -- NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. I THINK WHAT HAPPENED HERE IS, THOSE ADS BACKFIRED. INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, MY SURGE WAS DURING THE TIME WHEN THEY WERE JUST PUTTING THE PHONE CALLS AND THE RADIO ADS DIRECTED AGAINST ME AND PEOPLE DIDN'T BUY IT. THEY SAW A TRACK RECORD SECOND TO NONE. IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME IN THE SPEAKERSHIP, I TOOK ON BIG PROBLEMS AND I SOLVED THOSE PROBLEMS.

JESS>> YOU'VE GOT A STRONG REPUTATION AS A LIBERAL, OR PROGRESSIVE, IF YOU WILL, INCREDIBLY STRONG BACKING FROM LABOR. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO APPEAL TO THE MIDDLE? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET THE STEVE SOBOROFF VOTES THAT WILL BE REQUIRED FOR YOU TO WIN?

ANTONIO VILLARAIGOSA>> WELL, LIKE I SAID, I'M GOING TO POINT TO THE TRACK RECORD. REMEMBER, I ALREADY HAVE SOME OF THE MOST, THE BROADEST, ENDORSEMENTS IN THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY. GORDON [MURLEY], THE REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT OF THE WOODLAND HILLS HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, HAS ENDORSED MY CANDIDACY. JERRY SILVER, THE PRESIDENT OF THE ENCINO HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, BILL JASPER, THE PRESIDENT OF THE ENCINO PROPERTY OWNER'S ASSOCIATION --

JESS>> -- SO YOU CAN BE A CENTRIST PROGRESSIVE.

ANTONIO VILLARAIGOSA>> THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT I CAN BE A PRAGMATIST. GOVERNMENT HAS TO WORK FOR PEOPLE. I TELL PEOPLE THAT MOST PEOPLE AREN'T CONSERVATIVE OR REPUBLICAN IN THE EXTREME. THEY WANT GOVERNMENT TO WORK FOR THEM. THEY'RE NOT PARTISAN WARRIORS, IF YOU WILL. THEY WANT THEIR GOVERNMENT TO RESPOND TO THEIR NEEDS. WHAT IS VALLEY SECESSION ALL ABOUT IF IT'S NOT A CYNICISM AND FRUSTRATION WITH THE NONPARTISAN CITY GOVERNMENT THAT JUST HASN'T WORKED FOR THEM? I THINK I COULD GET THAT GOVERNMENT TO WORK FOR THEM BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT DEMOCRACY STARTS FROM THE BOTTOM UP, NOT THE TOP DOWN, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS TO COME FROM A COMMUNITY THAT HASN'T ALWAYS GOTTEN ITS FAIR SHARE OF CITY SERVICES.

VAL>> BUT THERE IS A FEELING ALREADY THAT, BECAUSE OF ALL THE SUPPORT YOU'RE GETTING FROM LABOR, BUSINESS INTERESTS ARE NERVOUS.

ANTONIO VILLARAIGOSA>> WELL, I'M GOING TO SAY TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, LOOK AT MY TRACK RECORD. I'VE WORKED WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO CAP THE FEES. THAT'S WHAT THE BIGGEST SCHOOL BOND WAS ALL ABOUT THAT I PUT TOGETHER. REMEMBER, I WAS THE CALIFORNIA BUILDING INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION LEGISLATOR OF THE YEAR TWO YEARS RUNNING AND I WAS ALSO A KEY ENVIRONMENTAL VOTE. I WAS ABLE TO BALANCE OUT THE CONSTITUENCIES. THE MAYOR OF THE CITY HAS TO REPRESENT EVERYONE. I WILL. FIRST OF ALL, I UNDERSTAND THIS AND THAT IS THAT YOU CAN'T SUPPORT A BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE IF YOU'RE NOT BRINGING BUSINESSES INTO THIS CITY AND PROMOTING A GOOD BUSINESS CLIMATE.

VAL>> MR. VILLARAIGOSA, THANK YOU FOR COMING IN. I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO BE SEEING A LOT OF YOU BETWEEN NOW AND JUNE 5. THANKS SO MUCH.

ANTONIO VILLARAIGOSA>> I HOPE SO.

VAL>> AND WE'LL BE TALKING TO MR. HAHN IN JUST A MOMENT.

SO WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE MAYORAL CAMPAIGN AND ELECTION? WE'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU. HERE'S HOW YOU CAN REACH US:

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JESS>> JOINING US NOW IS THE OTHER CANDIDATE STILL STANDING WHEN THE POLLS CLOSED, CITY ATTORNEY, JIM HAHN. WELCOME TO LIFE AND TIMES.

JAMES HAHN>> THANK YOU, JESS. THANK YOU, VAL.

JESS>> WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL BE THE ISSUES HERE? IS IT GOING TO BE A CLASH OF PERSONALITIES OR ARE THERE REAL ISSUES TO DEAL WITH THAT SEPARATE THE TWO OF YOU?

JAMES HAHN>> WHAT I'M TRYING TO TALK ABOUT IT, EXPERIENCE DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. ANTONIO TOLD YOU ABOUT A LOT OF EXPERIENCE HE HAD AS A LEGISLATOR WORKING TO BUILD COALITIONS, POLITICAL COALITIONS, AROUND CONCEPTS. I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT MY RECORD ACTUALLY WORKING WITH PEOPLE IN NEIGHBORHOODS. HOW WE'VE CLEANED UP NEIGHBORHOODS, HOW WE'VE FOUGHT DRUG DEALERS, CHASED OUT GANG MEMBERS, TAKEN ON THE SLUMLORDS AND RECOVERED NEIGHBORHOODS. I THINK PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS HOW TO GET THE JOB DONE IN THE CITY --

JESS>> -- YOU'LL BE CONTINUING TO IDENTIFY YOUR OPPONENT, THEN, AS A SACRAMENTO POLITICIAN?

JAMES HAHN>> WELL, THAT'S HIS EXPERIENCE AND I CAN TALK ABOUT MY L.A. EXPERIENCE. I KNOW MR. VILLARAIGOSA HAS A LOT THAT HE CAN TALK ABOUT IN HIS RECORD. I THINK I HAVE JUST AS MUCH TO TALK ABOUT. I THINK MY EXPERIENCE PROBABLY IS A LITTLE BETTER FOR THE JOB OF MAYOR.

VAL>> ONE OF THE CONSTITUENCIES THAT YOU TRIED TO GET WAS LABOR AND YOU DID GET SOME SUPPORT FROM LABOR, BUT MR. VILLARAIGOSA GOT MORE. ARE YOU NOW GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE TO CAPTURE THE BUSINESS INTERESTS?

JAMES HAHN>> YOU KNOW, I THINK I'VE HAD SUPPORT THROUGH ALL DIFFERENT SEGMENTS OF THE COMMUNITY. I'VE HAD A LOT OF SMALL BUSINESS, MEDIUM-SIZE BUSINESS, OWNERS WHO HAVE ENDORSED THE KIND OF PROGRAMS THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. LET'S ELIMINATE BUSINESS TAXES ON NEW SMALL BUSINESSES COMING IN TO LOS ANGELES, LET'S REFORM THE OVERALL BUSINESS TAX CODE AND LOWER BUSINESS TAXES OVERALL. SO I THINK PEOPLE SEE JIM HAHN AS SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE JOBS FOR EVERYBODY, IT'S GOT TO BE SMALL BUSINESSES THAT PROVIDE THOSE JOBS. I'VE HAD A LOT OF SUPPORT THERE. I HAVE SUPPORT, AS YOU MENTIONED, FROM CITY HALL, FROM OTHER LABOR UNIONS LIKE THE CARPENTERS AND THE BUILDING TRADES, PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN MY CANDIDACY, SO I'VE HAD SUPPORT ALL ACROSS THE BOARD.

JESS>> YOU HAVE SUGGESTED THAT CHARACTER WILL BE AN ISSUE IN THIS CAMPAIGN. COULD YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC? WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY CHARACTER?

JAMES HAHN>> YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, DID I THINK CHARACTER WOULD BE AN ISSUE? AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, FOR VOTERS, CHARACTER IS ALWAYS AN ISSUE. THEY WANT TO KNOW WHO YOU ARE, WHAT YOU STAND FOR, WHAT YOUR RECORD'S BEEN, WHAT YOUR LIFE HAS BEEN LIKE.

JESS>> SO YOU'LL NOT BE ATTACKING VILLARAIGOSA'S CHARACTER?

JAMES HAHN>> I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S PROPER FOR ME TO DO. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT OUR RECORDS. WE EACH HAVE A RECORD THAT WE CAN POINT TO AND POINT OUT DIFFERENCES. I'D LIKE THE DEBATE OVER THE NEXT TWO MONTHS TO BE ABOUT OUR RECORDS, ABOUT OUR PHILOSOPHIES AND ABOUT OUR APPROACH TO ISSUES.

VAL>> YOU KNOW, FOR A LONG TIME, YOU WERE EXPECTED TO BE THE TOP VOTE-GETTER. YOU WERE AHEAD IN THE POLLS EARLY ON. SOMETHING CHANGED. WHY?

JAMES HAHN>> WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? THERE WERE SIX STRONG CANDIDATES IN THIS RACE AND I THINK IT WAS A VERY STRONG FIELD. I WAS HAPPY TO BE IN THE RUNOFF. I THINK, WITH THAT MANY STRONG CANDIDATES, A LOT OF MONEY BEING SPENT, MR. VILLARAIGOSA BENEFITED ENORMOUSLY FROM INDEPENDENT EXPENDITURES ON HIS BEHALF BY THE COUNTY FEDERATION OF LABOR AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. I THINK THAT IN THE RUNOFF, THOUGH, WE'RE BOTH GOING TO BE LOOKING TO GET THE VOTERS WHO VOTED FOR JOEL WACHS AND STEVE SOBOROFF AND KATHLEEN CONNELL AND XAVIER BECERRA, AND HOW WE GET THOSE VOTES, I THINK, IS THE REAL CHALLENGE. I THINK THAT, IN THE RUNOFF, I THINK I'M MORE LIKELY TO BE THE SECOND CHOICE OF SOMEBODY WHO PICKED SOMEBODY ELSE AS THEIR FIRST CHOICE.

JESS>> IN THE RUNOFF, WOULD YOU EXPECT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TO PROVIDE FUNDS FOR YOUR OPPONENT AGAIN? YOU'RE BOTH DEMOCRATS.

JAMES HAHN>> I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE THAT AGAIN. THE THING I DON'T LIKE ABOUT THAT IS THAT PROPOSITION 34 ALLOWS THESE CONTRIBUTIONS THAT ARE BEING MADE TO THE PARTY AND THEN FUNNELED INTO THE VILLARAIGOSA CAMPAIGN TO BE SECRET. I THINK THEY OUGHT TO BE OUT IN THE OPEN. I'VE ASKED MR. VILLARAIGOSA, WOULD HE GET THOSE CONTRIBUTORS OUT IN THE OPEN? WE HAVE THE MOST OPEN CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAW IN THE COUNTRY HERE IN LOS ANGELES AND IT'S BEING TOTALLY UNDERMINED BY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY FUNNELING THESE SECRET CONTRIBUTIONS IN.

VAL>> I ASKED MR. VILLARAIGOSA IF HE WOULD PLEDGE NOT TO CAMPAIGN NEGATIVELY. I'LL ASK YOU THE SAME THING?

JAMES HAHN>> THAT'S MY APPROACH. I WAS SURPRISED THAT, YOU KNOW, HE AIMED A NEGATIVE ATTACK AD ON THE RADIO AGAINST ME BLAMING ME FOR AN INDEPENDENT EXPENDITURE THAT HAD BEEN DONE BY THE MORONGO TRIBE AGAINST MR. VILLARAIGOSA. AS SOON AS I FOUND OUT ABOUT THAT EXPENDITURE, THAT CAMPAIGN, I ASKED THE MORONGO TRIBE TO STOP. I CALLED ON ALL THE OTHER CAMPAIGNS TO ASK THE TRIBE TO STOP. I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT AND I WAS A LITTLE BIT MIFFED THAT HE SAID, "ASK JIM HAHN" AT THE END OF THAT.

I WANT TO RUN A POSITIVE CAMPAIGN, BUT I THINK PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE A CAMPAIGN BASED ON THE FACTS AND, WHERE I SEE PROBLEMS IN MR. VILLARAIGOSA'S RECORD, I'M GOING TO POINT THOSE OUT. I DON'T THINK THAT'S A NEGATIVE CAMPAIGN IF I CAN TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, I SPONSORED A GANG BILL TO HAVE TOUGH GANG PENALTIES AND HE VOTED AGAINST THAT. I THINK THAT THAT'S THE KIND OF INFORMATION THAT VOTERS NEED TO HAVE.

JESS>> WILL CHIEF PARKS AND THE LAPD BE AN ISSUE IN THE RUNOFF?

JAMES HAHN>> WELL, YOU KNOW, LAPD IS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE. THE CHIEF IS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE. HOW POLICE REFORM IS ACCOMPLISHED OVER THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, DECADE IS GOING TO BE REAL IMPORTANT. I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT I DID TO IMPLEMENT THE CONSENT DECREE. I WANT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO BE ONE THAT RESPECTS US AS WELL AS PROTECTS US. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY AT THE EXPENSE OF THEIR RIGHTS. SO I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT I BELIEVE COMMUNITY POLICING IS ALL ABOUT AND THAT'S WORKING WITH COMMUNITIES FOR A POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT DOES, IN FACT, TREAT ALL OF US WITH RESPECT.

VAL>> NOW THERE WERE 75 DEBATES DURING THE PRIMARY AND, OVER THE COURSE OF TIME, IT BECAME CLEAR THAT YOU AND MR. VILLARAIGOSA HAVE VERY SIMILAR VIEWS ON ALMOST ALL THE MAJOR ISSUES. IS THERE ANY ISSUE THAT DISTINGUISHES YOU DRAMATICALLY FROM EACH OTHER?

JAMES HAHN>> I THINK ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE, I WANT TO CONCENTRATE. I THINK, ALTHOUGH HE SHARES MY GOAL OF WANTING TO MAKE SURE EVERY COMMUNITY IS SAFE, I THINK WE HAVE DIFFERENT APPROACHES AND DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHIES TOWARDS THAT. I'VE BEEN A PROSECUTOR FOR 20 YEARS OF MY PUBLIC SERVICE CAREER. I BELIEVE VERY STRONGLY THAT WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITIES FROM PREDATORS LIKE GANG MEMBERS AND DRUG DEALERS. HE'S HAD A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT ATTITUDE ON SOME OF THESE ISSUES, SO THAT'S ONE DIFFERENCE.

I THINK, AGAIN, THE OTHER BIG DIFFERENCE, ALTHOUGH WE ALL WANT TO HAVE SAFER SCHOOLS AND BETTER SCHOOLS AND WE WANT TO HAVE BETTER JOBS COME INTO THIS COMMUNITY, I'VE HAD EXPERIENCE RIGHT HERE IN LOS ANGELES WORKING ON THINGS IN NEIGHBORHOODS. I THINK THAT EXPERIENCE DIFFERENTIATES ME.

VAL>> JIM HAHN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING IN. I SUSPECT WE'LL BE SEEING YOU A LOT AS WELL AND I HOPE WE'LL SEE BOTH OF YOU ON THE SAME SET TOGETHER.

JAMES HAHN>> I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, VAL.

VAL>> THANK YOU.

JAMES HAHN>> THANK YOU.

JESS>> OUR TOP STORY TOMORROW NIGHT, HERE'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT THE NEXT TIME YOU SEE KIDS ON THEIR WAY TO SCHOOL.

PHILIP BRUCE>> WE ALL KNOW THE YELLOW SCHOOL BUS, BUT WHAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW IS THE DANGER THOSE BUSES MAY CARRY, NAMELY, DIESEL EXHAUST.

>> WELL, I ASSUME IT'S GOT TO BE BAD BECAUSE THE WAY IT SMELLS, IT'S JUST HORRIBLE.

JESS>> THAT'S THURSDAY ON LIFE AND TIMES TONIGHT AT 7:00 P.M.

NOW WE TURN THINGS OVER TO MADDOX & HEWITT FOR THEIR TAKE ON THE ELECTION RESULTS. GENTLEMEN?

HUGH>> THANK YOU, JESS. WELL, KERMAN?

KERMAN>> I THINK WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO FIRST OF ALL, HUGH, IS COMMENT ON THE INTERVIEW THAT WAS JUST CONDUCTED BY JESS AND VAL. IT BECAME CLEAR TO ME THAT JIMMY HAHN IS GOING TO RUN ON A COUPLE OF THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, HE'S RUNNING ON THE FACT THAT HE HAS MORE EXPERIENCE IN THE CITY OF L.A. THAN ANTONIO VILLARAIGOSA. HE'S ALSO GOING TO RUN ON THE FACT THAT ANTONIO VILLARAIGOSA IS A SACRAMENTO POLITICIAN WHEREAS JIMMY HAHN HAS EXPERIENCE DOING THINGS IN LOS ANGELES, AND HE MADE IT CLEAR TO VAL AND JESS THAT HE IS TOUGHER ON CRIME THAN ANTONIO VILLARAIGOSA WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT THAT GANG INJUNCTION. SO HE'S TRYING TO CREATE A PICTURE OF A GUY WHO'S SOFT ON CRIME, HE'S A SACRAMENTO POLITICIAN AND HE'S TRYING TO EVEN INSINUATE THAT HE'S OUT OF THE MAINSTREAM. I DON'T THINK THAT WORKS, BUT THAT'S THE CAMPAIGN I THINK HE'S TRYING TO RUN.

HUGH>> YEAH, SOMETIMES YOU JUST GET TO WATCH FUN THINGS. I WAS IN THE GREEN ROOM WHEN ANTONIO AND JIM MET FOR THE FIRST TIME AFTER THIS ELECTION. BOY, DID THE TEMPERATURE DROP IN THAT ROOM AND IT WAS VERY STIFF AND VERY FORMAL. BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT ROOM, LOOK, I THINK THE CITY ATTORNEY'S TIRED. I THINK HE'S DISAPPOINTED. I THINK ANTONIO VILLARAIGOSA WAS FULL OF ENERGY AND LIFE TONIGHT. THAT'S GOT TO TURN AROUND IF JIM HAHN WANTS TO CLOSE THAT GAP AND I THINK THE MOMENTUM AT THIS POINT HAS TO BE THERE.

MOMENTUM HAS TO BE WITH ROCKY DELGADILLO TONIGHT. YESTERDAY HE CAME OUT OF NOWHERE, POWERED BY MAGIC JOHNSON ADS. I SAW THEM IN ORANGE COUNTY. THEY DID A CABLE BUY AND, AS JIM HAHN SAID, YOU KNOW, HE JUST COMES OUT OF THE SCREEN. HE'S BETTER THAN ANY OF US AND THAT'S TRUE. I'M GLAD HE WENT ON THE BALLOT FOR THE SAKE OF ANY OF THESE CANDIDATES. THAT REALLY WAS THE SECRET AND MIKE FEUER RAN A LACKLUSTER, BORING, LITTLE BIT WHINY CAMPAIGN AND, ALL OF A SUDDEN, DELGADILLO COMES OUT OF NOWHERE. WERE YOU STUNNED?

KERMAN>> WELL, I DON'T THINK MIKE RAN A LACKLUSTER BORING CAMPAIGN. I THINK ROCKY'S CAMPAIGN SEEMED TO JUST HAVE MORE ENERGY. NOT ONLY DID MAGIC JOHNSON DO TV ADS, BUT MAGIC JOHNSON DID AN INCREDIBLE HEAVY RADIO BUY IN THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE EXIT POLLS, ROCKY DELGADILLO DID VERY WELL IN THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY. PEOPLE LIKE MAGIC JOHNSON ALL OVER. I THINK FEUER DID OKAY, BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE FINDING OUT IS, THERE SEEMS TO BE THIS IMPRESSION AMONG VOTERS THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME, THE JOEL WACHS', THE MICHAEL FEUERS, AND SOME OF THE OTHERS, DID NOT DO AS WELL AS THE NEWCOMERS. ANTONIO IS VIEWED BY MANY AS A NEWCOMER. ROCKY DELGADILLO IS VIEWED AS A NEWCOMER.

HUGH>> ROCKY DELGADILLO WON NINE OUT OF THE 15 CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS. ON SATURDAY'S SHOW, OUR 2:00 SHOW ON SATURDAY, ZEV YAROSLAVSKY WALKS THROUGH THESE THINGS, SAYS LOOK HERE AND HERE AND HERE AND HERE, AS HE POINTS OUT THAT CITY COUNCILMEN MAKE A LOT OF ENEMIES. YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST PART OF THE BUSINESS. MIKE CAN'T AVOID THAT. IF YOU SAY YES TO THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, YOU'RE SAYING NO TO A DIFFERENT HOMEOWNER. AND IF YOU GET THIS STREET FIXED, YOU DON'T GET THAT ONE FIXED. SO MIKE'S CARRYING THAT. PLUS THIS GUN CONTROL STUFF. IT'S JUST WAY, WAY OUT THERE. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE VALLEY, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE CENTRAL CITY, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THE EAST SIDE THAT HAVE WEAPONS AND THEY DON'T LIKE THIS FEUER STUFF.

KERMAN>> ON THE SOUTH SIDE WHERE I LIVE, YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN COMMUNITIES WHERE CRIME IS A REAL ISSUE. THEY DON'T LIKE THIS WHOLE NOTION OF GUN CONTROL BECAUSE, IN THEIR MIND, YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT TAKING THE WEAPON THAT THEY NEED TO PROTECT THEIR PROPERTY AND FAMILY BECAUSE, IN MANY CASES, THEY CAN'T ALWAYS RELY ON LAPD.

I WILL SAY THIS. IT'S STILL EARLY IN THE MAYOR'S RACE. IT'S STILL EARLY IN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S RACE. A LOT CAN HAPPEN BETWEEN JIMMY HAHN AND ANTONIO BECAUSE, AGAIN, 45 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR MAYOR VOTED AGAINST JIMMY AND ANTONIO. AND EVEN THOUGH ROCKY AND MICHAEL FEUER GOT A SIZABLE NUMBER OF VOTES, ONCE YOU PIT JUST MICHAEL FEUER AND ROCKY DELGADILLO AGAINST EACH OTHER AND YOU REMOVE THE OTHER CANDIDATES, ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN. SO ROCKY DID WELL, BUT I THINK THAT RACE IS WIDE OPEN.

HUGH>> YEAH, I THINK I'M MUCH MORE CUT AND DRIED ABOUT THIS. I THINK ANTONIO'S PRETTY DARN FAR AHEAD. IT'S GOING TO BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR JIMMY HAHN TO CATCH UP WITH THAT MOMENTUM. AND I THINK THAT MOMENTUM TRANSCENDS RACE, BUT THAT IT DOES PARTICULARLY ENERGIZE THE LATINO ELECTORATE WHICH WILL BE IMPORTANT FOR ROCKY DELGADILLO AS WELL, AN EAST SIDE PERSON. AND INDEPENDENT EXPENDITURES MATTER. IN THE INDEPENDENT EXPENDITURES IN BOTH THOSE RACES, DEMOCRATIC MONEY IS GOING TO GO INTO ANTONIO'S RACE. REPUBLICANS ARE NOT GOING TO PUT MONEY INTO JIMMY HAHN'S RACE. THEY'RE GOING TO -- ACTUALLY, I THINK REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR ANTONIO FOR COMPLICATED REASONS AND THE INDEPENDENT EXPENDITURES FROM THE MAYOR ARE GOING TO GO INTO THE DELGADILLO RACE. I THINK THAT'S THE --

KERMAN>> -- I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT INDEPENDENT EXPENDITURES BECAUSE BOTH CANDIDATES FOR MAYOR -- ALL THE CANDIDATES TRIED TO GET THE ENDORSEMENT OF ORGANIZED LABOR AND THEY ALSO TRIED TO GET THE ENDORSEMENT OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. JIMMY HAHN DIDN'T GET THOSE ENDORSEMENTS, SO FOR HIM TO SOMEHOW KIND OF SAY THAT MONEY HAS BEEN FUNNELED WHEN, IN FACT, HE WENT AFTER THAT -- ANTONIO'S CAMPAIGN AND SOME OF THE OTHERS WHO RECEIVED MONEY FROM THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND ORGANIZED LABOR, THEY HAVE NOT VIOLATED ANY RULES WHATSOEVER. THAT IS THE ADVANTAGE OF HAVING --

HUGH>> -- THAT'S THE WAY OF THE GAME.

KERMAN>> THAT'S THE WAY THE GAME IS PLAYED.

HUGH>> NOW I WANT TO TURN TO SOME OF THESE CITY COUNCIL RACES. WATCH PARKING METERS. TOM HAYDEN DIDN'T. THE OLD SDSR FROM MICHIGAN TURNING, I DON'T KNOW, IS HE 60 YEARS OLD YET? BUT HE DID NOT FINISH WHERE PEOPLE EXPECTED HIM TO DO. HE MAY HAVE ALREADY CRESTED.

KERMAN>> BUT HE CAME IN FIRST --

HUGH>> -- BUT THERE MIGHT NOT BE ANY MORE VOTES FOR HIM IN THAT DISTRICT.

KERMAN>> SEE, I DISAGREE. I THINK TOM HAYDEN IS AN AGGRESSIVE CAMPAIGNER. TOM HAYDEN HAS BEEN COUNTED OUT, HUGH, THROUGHOUT HIS ENTIRE POLITICAL CAREER. WHEN HE FIRST RAN FOR THE ASSEMBLY, THEY SAID, OH, HE'S TOO LIBERAL, HE WAS AGAINST THE VIETNAM WAR. WHEN HE RAN FOR STATE SENATE, THEY SAID THE SAME THING. THE ONLY RACE I REMEMBER TOM HAYDEN RUNNING FOR WAS STATEWIDE WHEN HE RAN TO BE GOVERNOR AND, OF COURSE, HE RAN CITYWIDE IN A DISTRICT WHERE THEY --

HUGH>> -- YEAH, THE SAID THE SAME THING ABOUT THE MAYORAL RACE AND THEY WERE RIGHT.

KERMAN>> BUT IF THEY JUST -- YEAH, CITYWIDE AND STATEWIDE, HE'S A DIFFICULT GUY TO WIN. BUT YOU PUT HIM IN A GEOGRAPHIC AREA LIKE WEST L.A. WHICH IS A VERY LIBERAL DISTRICT, FIRST, HE CAME IN FIRST PLACE. I THINK TOM HAYDEN IS STILL THE CANDIDATE TO BEAT EVEN THOUGH JACK WEISS RAN A VERY RESPECTABLE CAMPAIGN.

HUGH>> SISTER OF THE MAYOR CANDIDATE, JANICE HAHN, SUPPOSED TO BE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE LEGATEES OF THE HAHN ESTATE POLITICALLY, DIDN'T WORK OUT THAT WELL.

KERMAN>> NOW, TO ME, THIS WAS THE BIGGEST SHOCK OF THE NIGHT. THERE'S A YOUNG LATINO CANDIDATE BY THE NAME OF HECTOR [SEPEDA] WHO HARDLY HAD NO MONEY AND HE RAN AN AGGRESSIVE GRASSROOTS CAMPAIGN. HE HAD THE FARM WORKERS OUT THERE KNOCKING ON DOORS. HE CAME IN SECOND PLACE. HE GOT 26 PERCENT OF THE VOTE. JIMMY'S SISTER, JANICE, GOT 33 PERCENT. THEY'RE BOTH IN A RUNOFF AGAINST EACH OTHER. THIS IS WHAT I'M GOING TO PREDICT. HECTOR [SEPADA], I'M PREDICTING TODAY, IS GOING TO WIN THE CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT IN THE 15TH RACE. HE'S GOING TO BEAT JANICE HAHN.

HUGH>> WELL, I'M GOING TO PREDICT ED REYES IS GOING TO WIN THE CITY COUNCIL RACE.

KERMAN>> OH, THAT'S BIG OF YOU, SINCE HE DID. (LAUGHTER)

HUGH>> NOW TELL PEOPLE ABOUT ED REYES. HE HAD COURAGE POINTS GOING FOR HIM BECAUSE HE DECLARED TO OPPOSE RICHARD POLANCO WHEN POLANCO WAS STILL IN THE RACE.

KERMAN>> THIS IS A VERY INTERESTING RACE. RICHARD POLANCO WAS GOING TO LEAVE THE STATE SENATE AND RUN FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO REPLACE COUNCILMAN, MIKE HERNANDEZ. MOST PEOPLE DROPPED OUT BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT I CAN'T BEAT RICHARD POLANCO. ED REYES, WHO WAS THE CHIEF OF STAFF TO CITY COUNCILMAN, MIKE HERNANDEZ, GOT INTO THE RACE. HE SAYS I'M GOING TO STAY IN. HE GOT THE BIG SUPPORT OF CITY COUNCILMAN, NICK PACHECO, AND XAVIER BECERRA AND LUCILLE ROYBAL-ALLARD. THEY SAID STAY IN THE RACE. HE STAYED IN AND ALL THE NEGATIVE INFORMATION CAME OUT AGAINST RICHARD POLANCO. POLANCO DROPPED OUT, THEY REMOVED HIS NAME FROM THE BALLOT, ED REYES WON IN A PRIMARY ELECTION. THERE WILL NOT BE A RUNOFF. HE IS THE NEW CITY COUNCILMAN WHO WILL REPLACE MIKE HERNANDEZ.

HUGH>> LAST THING. MIKE WOO'S WANDERING AROUND WONDERING HOW COME I'M LOSING AGAIN? HE DID NOT DO WHAT HE WAS EXPECTED TO DO. GARCETTI IS PROBABLY THE FRONT MONEY, THE GOOD MONEY ON GARCETTI. THAT'S IT.

KERMAN>> WATCH ERIC GARCETTI. HE'S A NEW FACE AND HE'S IN A GOOD POSITION.

HUGH>> THAT'S IT.

KERMAN>> ALL RIGHT.

JESS>> GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

HUGH>> THANK YOU, JESS.

VAL>> ALWAYS A PLEASURE. 

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