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'Now Is the Time to Defund the Police and Reimagine Public Safety,' Says Black Lives Matter Co-founder

Protesters march holding placards and a portrait of George Floyd during a demonstration against racism and police brutality, in Hollywood, California.
Protesters march holding placards and a portrait of George Floyd during a demonstration against racism and police brutality, in Hollywood, California. | AGUSTIN PAULLIER/AFP via Getty Images
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Welcome to "Excavating the Future," Capital & Main's series of conversations about what life could and should be like after the pandemic.

In this episode, we speak with Melina Abdullah, a Cal State LA professor of Pan African Studies and one of the founders of Black Lives Matter (Los Angeles). Even if you only glance at the news, you’ve probably seen or heard her at rallies, reciting the names of Black Americans killed by police or speaking about the inclusion of ethnic studies in the California college curriculum. Her tactics can be confrontational. And she can be visionary. Melina grew up in East Oakland and comes from a lineage of activists; her German grandfather was a communist who opposed Hitler’s rise to power, her father, a trade unionist.

We spoke with Abdullah about the future of public safety in the midst of the largest popular uprising in this country since the 1960s. But this is not 1968 — there is a new rhetoric in the movement, and new goals. At the center of it all are Black people, and other people of color, and their brutal treatment not just by police, but by the economy, and of course, by the pandemic.

Everyone by now has heard the slogan, "Defund the police." What it actually means doesn’t often get transmitted clearly in the press or on social media. Abdullah has spent years thinking about it. She and her activist cohort were ready for this historic moment.

Rubén Martínez: The pandemic coincided with a historic reckoning over race and policing in America in the wake of the murder of George Floyd. But you’d been on the front lines of the Black Lives Matter movement since its origins. How would you describe what’s occurred since May of 2020?

Melina Abdullah explains why now is the time to reimagine public safety.
Melina Abdullah on How the Events of 2020 Shows a Need To Reimagine Public Safety

The slogan "Defund the Police" became a huge rallying cry and yet another point of division given our current state of political polarization. But the actual vision of how community safety can be transformed is rarely discussed. How do you keep the community safe without policing as we know it today?

Melina Abdullah talks about community alternatives to policing.
Melina Abdullah on Community Alternatives to Policing

What examples of better ways of maintaining a community’s safety do you find in the past?

Melina Abdullah reflects on the work of Colonel Allensworth and other historical Black visionaries as inspiration for building better futures.
Melina Abdullah on How Black Visionaries can Inspire a Better Future


Rubén Martínez closes by explaining how using past knowledge can help shape the future.
Rubén Martínez Summarizes Melina Abdullah's Thoughts on Using Past Knowledge To Help Reshape the Future.

Melina Abdullah helps unearth the future in the past by bringing to light peoples and places erased by the history of the powerful. Recently, the verb "decolonize" has become a rallying cry among people of color in academia and on the streets, describing a rescue mission into the past for practices that could guide us today, as when Abdullah cites the Sankofa tradition of the Akan people of Ghana. We can’t completely restore the past. Tragically, many histories that were violently disappeared are lost forever. But think of the knowledge that is retrievable, from a grandmother’s home remedy to the records of pre-colonial societies that, by many accounts, handled public safety much better than we do today. Such a project is indispensable for the critical crossroads we face right now, all the more so in California, a place that has so wantonly erased and distorted history.

"We are no longer married to what is," Abdullah says, which means that we can flow through time to what was, which just might help us define what will be.

"Excavating the Future" is hosted and written by Rubén Martínez and produced and directed by Marco Amador for Capital & Main, an award-winning news publication that reports on inequality, climate change and other issues.

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